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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:48 am 
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I have always wondered why tuna do not figure in the list of species
caught by anglers in Indian waters?

Is it because there are no tuna in our oceans...surely there are!

I can personally attest to how well tuna fight when hooked and these are
A prized sport fish in fishing circles throughout the world.

So what is the matter, can fellow anglers shed some light?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:50 am 
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We have plenty of tuna in our waters! It is a combination of factors that have so far prevented tuna catches by our anglers. Few factors are 1)angling as a sport is just catching up - thanks to Bops for his effors towards this 2)there is no easy availability of boats for deep sea fishing. 3) generally tuna fisherman spend anywhere from 5 to 15 days in sea which makes it very difficult for anglers like us to acompany them.

I have personally seen sports fishes like yellowfin tuna, blue fin tuna, sail fish, huge GTs, very huge rays(may be manta rays) caught by fisherman in our region. I am looking forward for the day to hook a tuna and it may not be very far.

H.Venkatesan


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:50 am 
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Most of the Tuna boats that go out catch Skipjack and Albacore, the former being more prolific, the other species caught are dogtooth. When we used to go deep sea trolling off the coasts we used to do a lot of PR etc, sit at the local fishermen at their local equivalent clubs, have tea basically to get a boat and find out what was feeding where etc. At several of these places there were rewards notices for anyone who brought info on Yellowfin, I guess the demand and value of high grade sashimi was the main reason. But there did not seem to be any success stories as far as Yellowfin went.

Bluefin may be available but I have not seen any Bluefin, I have not seen Bluefin or Yellowfin in the market either, but I have seen very large Yellowfin feeding only once while trolling but I am not inclined to disclose where :lol: :twisted: :wink:


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:59 am 
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Bobby,
Was this in Indian waters or where you are situated now?


Venkat,

Tuna can be caught surprisingly close to the shores and in fact we have had tuna schools busting bait in Darwin Harbour which were hardly 10 minutes from the mainland.

The telltale signs are flocks of seabirds gathering in huge mobs over the water and certain types diving into the ocean.

This means that tuna are attacking a school of baitfish by herding them
To the surface.

We always keep a look out for such an occasion when trolling and at once reel in our lines, change over to our spinning rods which will have a metal lure on the end (Halco Twisties are great).

The trick then is to approach the bait school gently so as not to scare the
Fish and then to cast BEYOND the school and reel in the lure through the
School.

The hits come almost instantly and then you have a very strong tuna giving you a very good fight.

A notable tactic of the tuna is to go around in complete circles when near the boat.

Please keep an eye out for this feature in your waters and if lucky, try the
Tactics mentioned above.

I would love to hear if anyone has been successful.

Kingfish


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:10 pm 
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Bobby wrote:
I have seen very large Yellowfin feeding only once while trolling but I am not inclined to disclose where :lol: :twisted: :wink:


I have seen them hitting huge schools of Sardines close to shore in an area where i fish regularly ... the mistake I made was I had no silver spoons in my tackle box and was forced to go in close to reach them with some topwater lures ... not a single strike ...and after 30 mins we just switched of the engine and watched the action for over an hour .... It was towards the end of November and the weather was pretty nippy on the water ...


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:18 pm 
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@ Fredfish,

This is exactly what I meant.

I am sure tuna are around in nearer waters and it is only necessary to be aware of them and to have the right equipment at hand!

I sincerely hope you have another crack at them shortly.

Good luck!

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I do not think what Fred saw were Yellowfin, most likely Bonito or Skipjack. Yellowfin will not some in that close on our shores especially round the Konkan, the only place they would would be so close and I am guessing nere are at Batkal, I have fished there and it has all the possibilities. I have seen skipjack and bonito several times when I went out trolling from several places off the Konkan, in thousands some times even have pictures of them feeding.

The Yellowfin I am referring to were in India and only once did I see them there, they were reall huge, sickle fin ones, taking right out of the water. I estimated them to be 200 - 300+ lb and this was over 25 - 30 NM offshore. If it was not for a nasty accident on that trip at that very instance I am sure we would have struck gold. We had to cut the trip short and return back.

King Fish, I am now in Hong Kong. I was in India last week, infact I met Fred while crossing a road. I may be back in India on Saturday.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:55 pm 
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@Kingfish: At one port near our place occasionaly yellowfin tuna is landed. Many times I have seen huge flocks of tern crash diving to catch bait fishes a little away from sea shore. But I do not know it is because of tuna or some other. Last week also 2 days we saw huge flocks of terns diving to catch bait fishes. I have never ventured into sea so for, may be towards this month end we may go but not sure.


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Bobby,
Thank you for clarifying matters.

Unless one has heavy fighting gear and a properly equipped boat for
Sport fishing , there is no chance one can land the yellowfin tuna of the sizes You have seen.

I doubt if such an outfit is available anywhere in our waters in India.

By the way, the Tuna we catch using spinning rods are long tail tuna
Which usually run to about 8-10lbs., although there are bigger ones.

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Kingfish


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Venkat,

There seems to be a window of opportunity there.

Why don't you take an exploratory trip on a calm day and do some trolling
With the heavier outfit and also keep a spinning rod handy with a silver
Twisty at the end?

If you do see those terns in action, there may be no harm in casting the Twisty and seeing what hits !

It would be really interesting to find out and who knows, you may just start
Something for other anglers to emulate?

Wishing you good luck.

Kingfish


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I used to see a lot of mid size tuna landed when I was in Sri Lanka. Maybe Kanyakumari could become India's tuna mecca.


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Ken,

Interesting.

Would you know what type of tuna those were? And what weights?

Presumably these were caught by anglers and if so, would you remember
What lures and techniques were utilised?

Thank you.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:34 am 
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kingfish wrote:
Bobby,
Thank you for clarifying matters.

Unless one has heavy fighting gear and a properly equipped boat for
Sport fishing , there is no chance one can land the yellowfin tuna of the sizes You have seen.

I doubt if such an outfit is available anywhere in our waters in India.

By the way, the Tuna we catch using spinning rods are long tail tuna
Which usually run to about 8-10lbs., although there are bigger ones.

Regards,
Kingfish


I am aware of that Kingfish, bar one spinning rod and reel I do not take any spinning gear when I troll off shore, I am fully equiped with Game tackle from 30lb - 130lb in India, 3 sets in each class. With a few spare rods and all other assessories. We even have a game chair (now not been used in years) So there is no problem. All tackle is top class, Shimano Tiagra, Penn Intennational, Fin Nor and Everol. Black Magic, Braid and Aftco harnesses, Aftco Gaffs/Flying Gaffs etc. As far as tackle goes, I think I can equip a gameboat anywhere :wink:

There are good possibilities landing that kind of tuna with 50lb tackle using full standup gear.


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No idea of the species but the were in the 20 - 30kg range for the most part. I spoke to a couple of local boys and it seemed that they were caught by trolling a feather on a hook - presumably on their way in or out from other fishing grounds.
This was a few years back though.
There were still fish being landed in 2008 when I last visited but I never spoke to any of the fishermen.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:30 pm 
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Here's a good Yellow Fin taken off Sri Lanka

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:42 pm 
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Bobby,

That is a solid fish!

One can now understand why it would need your type of boat and equipment to tackle a tuna of this size.

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Good info kingfish and Bobby.

That yellow fin is a monster.


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Whilst I respect the sentiments of those who do not eat tuna for religious
Or any other reasons, it should be mentioned that tuna is considered to be the " chicken of the sea" gastronomically.

Despite it's red colored meat, it turns white upon cooking and has a very good taste.

It is served " seared" in restaurants here and commands a premium price.

Not to mention how some species are served raw in Japanese cuisine!

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I had a tuna steak last week and if you can access properly fresh tuna, I'd highly recomend it.
Flash fried and served with potatoes, asparagus and a holondase sauce, marinaded in miso paste and served with noodles or raw sashimi style it's all good.
If it's not fresh though it's not fit for cat food.

Back in the 1920's and 30's, we even had a serious big game tuna fishery in the UK with northern bluefin being landed in the hundreds of kilos. Sadly such things are gone but a few still get landed by sport fishermen each year off the coast of Ireland.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:39 am 
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Anyone advise how it is made in Indian kitchens, please?

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In the south of India. The Tuna is mostly prepared as curry.

One is tuna cut into cubes cooked in a coconut paste with turmeric, red chilly powder garlic and either tamarind juice or green mangoes ( color of curry is orange/ yellow due to the turmeric) .

Another popular curry is with all the spices roasted and then ground to a paste,Mainly coriander seeds, garlic, cumin seeds, black pepper,tamarind juice and a few small shallots also ground separately to give the curry some body ( color brown due to roasted spices ).

Tuna used for the above is generally bonito or skip jack.

Though juvenile yellow fin in the range of 10 to 15 kg is caught of the southern tip you don't see much in the markets.


Personally I like my tuna marinated with salt, pepper and garlic paste, seared and eaten with a squeeze of lime.



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Jeen, many thanks.

I am going to ask the Mrs. to prepare curried tuna for a change.

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"Personally I like my tuna marinated with salt, pepper and garlic paste, seared and eaten with a squeeze of lime. "

seared on a grill... yummm.


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I am not a Big Tuna fan. Only like to eat it raw - sashimi or sushi, or into a pate mixed with kingfish with mayo and mashed potato.

You must bleed Tuna as soon as caught, the flesh tastes better.

Last month went with the family to Phuket, the kids caught some Albacore and Bonito, had them fried just with pepper and salt, was OK.

Another reason I don't fancy Tuna so much is the Uric acid in some tuna gets my pee to really stink! :lol: :lol:


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tandoori tuna steak, gorgeous !


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Bobby wrote:
Another reason I don't fancy Tuna so much is the Uric acid in some tuna gets my pee to really stink! :lol: :lol:


You must be "doing" the wrong fish mate :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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