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 Post subject: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:46 pm 
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Hi guys,

Just back from river fishing in Goa, caught a good MJ and a decent Barramundi and dropped three others due to various reasons!

I am pleasantly surprised at the size of barra and MJs in Goan waters ... they can put the Aussie version to shame sometimes.

I don't mean to poach your fish, you are welcome to visit and catch them in Australia!!

Pictures below.

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Some more.
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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
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Nice pictures and report, Kingfish!


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
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Thanks Venkat. I was taken by surprise by the fishing in Goa ..... did not expect it to be so productive with all the netting taking place.

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Very nice Kingfish, nice Mangroves, where in Goa was this?


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:09 pm 
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Nice report Kingfish! Thanks for sharing!

I had a Barra at least 8 KGs chase a squidgie lure you gifted me. The only problem with that lure and barra is that the are heavily weigted which is nice to fish, but the barras are not able to suck them in.... The next cast a 2 Kilo MJ nailed it :-)

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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:11 pm 
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Kingfish,

I'll likely be there on the west coast this weekend.
Let me know if you are still around and want to fish the waters I fish....

Maruthu


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:54 pm 
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Hi Kingfish,

Thanks for report and pictures.

tight lines for your upcoming fishing trips.

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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:18 pm 
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Hello Bobby,

It was one of the rivers near Goa.

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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:24 pm 
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Hello Maruthu,

Interesting... Barra can take in quite large fish when feeding and I believe I gave you the smaller sized Squidgies . Would it have helped to speed up the retrieve or flick the rod to give erratic action to the soft plastic? I am groping in the dark here as I have not yet got a barra on a Squidgy.

In any case, glad that you got an MJ in the bargain!

Also Maruthu, sincere thanks for your offer but I am back in Chandigarh now.Wish you good fishing.

Kingfish


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@fish4fun

Nice to hear from you and thank you. I will need all your good wishes for future trips.

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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:13 am 
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kingfish wrote:
Hello Maruthu,

Interesting... Barra can take in quite large fish when feeding and I believe I gave you the smaller sized Squidgies . Would it have helped to speed up the retrieve or flick the rod to give erratic action to the soft plastic? I am groping in the dark here as I have not yet got a barra on a Squidgy.

In any case, glad that you got an MJ in the bargain!

Also Maruthu, sincere thanks for your offer but I am back in Chandigarh now.Wish you good fishing.

Kingfish


Kingfish,

I am very thankful for your squidgy lure.
I haven't lost a barramundi on it for the first time.

They go insane for the lure, but the fact that they're heavily weighted means that they attract fish extremely well, but they don't get sucked in well. But the MJs bite them pretty good. I managed to get an MJ (not a big one) taking the squidgy on the video. Let me see if I can get that on YT and post it here....

Maruthu


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:38 am 
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Hi Kingfish,

Quite nice catches there. Thanks for posting.

~Arun


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:56 am 
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Hello Arun,

Many thanks. Hope you enjoyed the report.

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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:03 am 
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Maruthu,

Food for thought. Which Squidgy is it ? The white ones with red nose ( called Drop Bear) ?

What I can do is get the similar lure without the inbuilt weight. You can then rig it with a lighter jig head of , say, a 1/4 oz. This will still get down to the depths yet be light enough to be sucked in.

Let me know what you think ... we have to get those barra and post them on this forum!

Kingfish

P.S. Let us see that MJ caught on the Squidgy on YT . Please advise when posted.


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:00 pm 
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Nice catch there King!

Do the Barra's fight well? how the about them MJ's?

Cheers....


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:55 am 
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@ Ulygun

Two of the hardest fighters, in my opinion.

The MJs are like bulldogs, strong and tenacious. You have to head them off from cover.

Barramundi are spectacular fighters, taking to the air with headshaking leaps trying to throw the hooks of the lure (successfully once this time, although it was a smaller barra).

You must try for these if you visit these parts.

No report from your end for sometime?

Regards,
Kingfish


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:15 am 
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Couple of points in passing.....

1. Please have a tetanus injection if you are fishing , these are usually valid for 10 years and you can get booster shots to stay protected. There are rusty hooks flying around with fish slime on them and it is common to see hooks embedded in flesh (as it happened on this trip) .The risk of infection is always there.

By the way, the guide did have his tetanus shots up to date.


2. I find it difficult to use a baitcaster reel now for even trolling!

I have got so used to spinning reels that it is now difficult to handle baitcasters with their different mechanics and layout.It becomes even more difficult in the heat of battle switching from one format to the other.

I think I will now just use the spinners for trolling as well, they have become just as good as the baitcaster in line capacities with the advent of braided line and in their drag rating.

Kingfish


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 6:26 pm 
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Fabulous report Kingfish, some nice fish there. Glad to see that Goa is still productive after all these years of being hammered.


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Thu Mar 23, 2017 7:36 pm 
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Thanks Bops,

Hope Goan fishing keeps improving, despite the odds.

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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:28 pm 
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kingfish wrote:
Maruthu,

Food for thought. Which Squidgy is it ? The white ones with red nose ( called Drop Bear) ?

What I can do is get the similar lure without the inbuilt weight. You can then rig it with a lighter jig head of , say, a 1/4 oz. This will still get down to the depths yet be light enough to be sucked in.

Let me know what you think ... we have to get those barra and post them on this forum!

Kingfish

P.S. Let us see that MJ caught on the Squidgy on YT . Please advise when posted.


Kingfish,

It was the one in white with red nose.
I think it is very productive and could use a few more of the same ones Kingfish! :-)
Is there a size around 4" or so? That'd be even more productive.
Though it might be a bit heavier there is enough current where I fish....

I have to canvel my trip to the west coast this weekend as I had things comeup.
But will definitely make it there sometime in the next three weeks or so....
That video of the MJ on squidgy is not that great of a video, but I shall post that this weekend anyway.

Maruthu


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:32 pm 
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IndianAngler wrote:
Fabulous report Kingfish, some nice fish there. Glad to see that Goa is still productive after all these years of being hammered.


Bops, I guess that it is the gift/curse of Goa, with everything that are being hammered out there!!!! :twisted:


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 1:59 pm 
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Maruthu,

I return to Sydney next week and will look into the Squidgies issue in more detail then.

Just off the cuff, Squidgies are also available with what they call the " S Factor". This is essentially a
scent in a tube to be applied to the Squidgy to make it more enticing for the fish.

This scent may convert those barra follow ups into strikes and maybe one solution to your problem. Will endeavour to get a supply of these to India next time out.

Kingfish


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:04 pm 
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Where is Jeen these days?

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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:42 pm 
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kingfish wrote:
Maruthu,

I return to Sydney next week and will look into the Squidgies issue in more detail then.

Just off the cuff, Squidgies are also available with what they call the " S Factor". This is essentially a
scent in a tube to be applied to the Squidgy to make it more enticing for the fish.

This scent may convert those barra follow ups into strikes and maybe one solution to your problem. Will endeavour to get a supply of these to India next time out.

Kingfish


There is no issue with teh lure itself Kingfish. It is a great lure....
I'd gladly take those squidgies from you :-) Will try to get more pics/reports going forward....


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:25 pm 
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Kingfish,

Here we go with the video of the MJ on a squidgy :-)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHlooTu8Rig&t=31s

Maruthu


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 Post subject: Re: Goodness, Goa!
PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:58 pm 
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Maruthu,

Just saw the video, it came out a bit grainy on my iPad but nice catch .... saw your previous video of some time back where you caught an MJ at the same spot.

What is the attrition rate of the Squidgies vs. the toothy MJs? Remember that you can always patch these soft plastics with the excellent Fevi Kwik Gel instant adhesive made in India.

Kingfish


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:07 pm 
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kingfish wrote:
Maruthu,

Just saw the video, it came out a bit grainy on my iPad but nice catch .... saw your previous video of some time back where you caught an MJ at the same spot.

What is the attrition rate of the Squidgies vs. the toothy MJs? Remember that you can always patch these soft plastics with the excellent Fevi Kwik Gel instant adhesive made in India.

Kingfish


They've held up pretty good for me.
I only have one lure left because I lost the rest to snags (as you can see in the video).

Please let me know if I could have a couple of packs in 4" size of the same colour.
I'd prefer to pay for them this time, if I can have them during the next time you visit India.

I love these lures much better than storm lures, because of the weight and stability in current/rough water.

Thanks again for the squidgy lures Kingfish!

Maruthu


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Maruthu,

A fair trade would be packets of Squidgies for you taking me to your secret fishing spots!

Will bring plentiful supplies of the same later in the year.

Regards,
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:11 pm 
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kingfish wrote:
Maruthu,

A fair trade would be packets of Squidgies for you taking me to your secret fishing spots!

Will bring plentiful supplies of the same later in the year.

Regards,
Kingfish


I'd gladly take you to my fishing spots!
We might have to plan it based on the tide though.
Those sopts could be dead for days or very productive, depending on the tide.

Let's get those elusive Barras next time.

Maruthu


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:11 pm 
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@ Ulygun

Two of the hardest fighters, in my opinion.

The MJs are like bulldogs, strong and tenacious. You have to head them off from cover.

Barramundi are spectacular fighters, taking to the air with headshaking leaps trying to throw the hooks of the lure (successfully once this time, although it was a smaller barra).

You must try for these if you visit these parts.

No report from your end for sometime?

Regards,
Kingfish


@Kingfish,

Thanks a ton for details of the fish fighting characteristics. Nice to know this, as I was disappointed last time when I had hooked on a MJ while in Mangalore. However, it was ~8-10" nothing more and may be the reason why. But Burramundi seems like a LMB on steroids! Lol. Would love to chase some of them tails during my next visit to Mangalore.

I was informed by the local anglers that there are Barra and GT visiting the shoreline often but I couldn't find out the season when they are found in plenty. I'm usually in India during the Nov-Dec time. May be the pattern is similar to Goa, just going by the same side of the pond theory.

I've been pretty busy with work these days, but I've been hitting the trout stocked river as and when I get a chance. I will share with the group soon. Thanks for bringing it up.

Appreciate the information and wish you the best on the water Kingfish! You da man!

Tight lines fellas!


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Ulygun,

Many thanks ..... hoping to see your catches with your usual superlative pictures.

Kingfish


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Time to review where I went wrong and lost the fish:

1. Late to strike - when the spool started to spin and we knew a fish was on, I took a millisecond too long in getting up and striking. The outcome was that the hook was possibly not deeply imbedded in the barra, enabling it to throw the hook and escape.

2. F G knot - I have mixed feelings about this knot. I have tried my level best to prepare this knot and snug it up as tight as possible but it still gave way, allowing the second fish to escape.

3. Weak hooks - we lost a very large barra about to be netted, because the under strength hook broke.
The lure belonged to the guide, so I am not to blame!

Please check your knots after each strike or snag hookup, also check your leaders and replace if scuffed.
Still trying to see what to do with the FG knot. I have had it slip on several occasions, despite tying and testing it diligently.

Change any suspect hooks on your lures, the fish will find out their weakness!

Kingfish


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I have some of my fishing buddies swear by the FG knot and are trying to convert me but so far I have not used it, what are your thoughts?


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 31, 2017 12:06 pm 
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Bobby,

I like the FG knot as it is small in diameter and passes through the guides easily, no need for a swivel to attach line to leader.

What I dislike about it is that, firstly, it is difficult to tighten when tying because tremendous pressure has to be applied to lock the knot. If one is not wearing protective gloves, the braid will cut you to the bone.

Secondly, although I have been using the FG knot for sometime, it has failed on some occasions and therefore I do not have full confidence in it as yet.

I have replied to your pm several days ago, please let me know if you have received it.

Regards,
Kingfish


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:30 pm 
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Bobby wrote:
I have some of my fishing buddies swear by the FG knot and are trying to convert me but so far I have not used it, what are your thoughts?


I too swear by the FG knot!! It is an incredible knot, you won't even feel it through the guides.
Last few years I am using FG knot to connect braid and the leader. Initially I had failures and lost 2 lures, it is because I did not tie it properly.
Yes, it requires practice and you have to really tighten the knot with a hand glove.
I carry a glove in my surf fishing bag and I can tie it on the rocks within a couple of minutes.
Initially you may have some trouble, but once you get it there is no turning back..


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Kingfish,
Looks like you had a great trip. And nice job finding those barras.

Regards,
Binu


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kingfish wrote:
Time to review where I went wrong and lost the fish:

1. Late to strike - when the spool started to spin and we knew a fish was on, I took a millisecond too long in getting up and striking. The outcome was that the hook was possibly not deeply imbedded in the barra, enabling it to throw the hook and escape.

2. F G knot - I have mixed feelings about this knot. I have tried my level best to prepare this knot and snug it up as tight as possible but it still gave way, allowing the second fish to escape.

3. Weak hooks - we lost a very large barra about to be netted, because the under strength hook broke.
The lure belonged to the guide, so I am not to blame!

Please check your knots after each strike or snag hookup, also check your leaders and replace if scuffed.
Still trying to see what to do with the FG knot. I have had it slip on several occasions, despite tying and testing it diligently.

Change any suspect hooks on your lures, the fish will find out their weakness!

Kingfish


I miss my fair share of fish on strike, thrown hooks, line cut etc. But thats part of fishing, and I am ok with it, fish have to win at times.
But changing hooks on lures is something I always do. Maruthu got me into this habit of changing hooks on any lure right of the package. We ususally use 4x vmc trebles and they are great,a nd available in a wide range of size. And I haven't lost much fish due to straightened hooks. I also carry a file or hook sharpener to put a point when the hooks dull. I also replace the hooks when I cant sharpen them well.


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h_venkatesan wrote:
Bobby wrote:
I have some of my fishing buddies swear by the FG knot and are trying to convert me but so far I have not used it, what are your thoughts?


I too swear by the FG knot!! It is an incredible knot, you won't even feel it through the guides.
Last few years I am using FG knot to connect braid and the leader. Initially I had failures and lost 2 lures, it is because I did not tie it properly.
Yes, it requires practice and you have to really tighten the knot with a hand glove.
I carry a glove in my surf fishing bag and I can tie it on the rocks within a couple of minutes.
Initially you may have some trouble, but once you get it there is no turning back..


I haven't had a need to use FG knot so far. The areas I usually fish are deep channels or sandy bottoms. I am not a big fan of fishing from the rocks. So a simple swivel to leader has worked fine for me so far. Its easy to tie, and I carry pre-tied leaders which allows me to change leader in seconds even at nights.
I have seen the FG knot and they look too complex for me to tie. Venky thats good if you can get it in a couple of minutes !!


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Hello Binu,

Nice to hear from you.

It is a good habit to replace weak hooks right off the bat and I tend to use 6x VMC trebles ( available in Australia for Barramundi) or Owner and Decoy hooks ... the latter two are quite expensive and I agree that the VMC are the best value for money.

I was quite annoyed that my guide had not changed the hooks on his lure, it cost me a good fish! It is for this reason that I always use my own equipment, rather than rely on those provided by guides, be it rods, reels or lures.

The FG knot can be tied quite quickly with practice, as Venkat has mentioned. It will hold good in areas where there is a sandy bottom and no snags, if tied well. It is ideal for beach fishing.

However, in hindsight, I recall that the lure had snagged several times on the river bottom and at one time we had to use the lure retriever on it. I had then landed a large MJ and a Barra before the knot finally gave way ...... ideally, one should have retied the knot at an earlier stage but in the heat of the moment one tends to forget such things!

Regards,
Kingfish


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I have never really been into a good GT with a spinning reel, I have caught a massive one when trolling, a real giant, but with the tackle I was using it was an overkill. But, the importance of retying your knot is crucial when you are pushing your tackle to the limit, which happens when you are popping for large GT. My experience came with ladyfish over 4lb line, if I remember correctly I was using a unit-knot, and I kept breaking off on my second fish and at the take, the fist fish had weakened the knot so much that it just broke when the next fist hit the popper. I have related this earlier over the forum a few years ago.


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Why anglers like the FG knot !

The picture depicts a 30 lb Power Pro braid attached to a 30 lb fluoro leader with an FG knot... it is so slim that it can easily glide through small guides, avoiding the use of swivels altogether.

In fact, it is hardly thicker than the fluoro leader.

A swivel, and perhaps a thick knot, can easily take out the eye of the rod's topmost guide if reeled through it when fighting a fish.

Kingfish


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An amusing anecdote re the FG knot.

On my recent trip to the Ramganga last November, I watched the young guide attach the braid to the mono leader with an FG knot .... he did everything correctly, as I watched him, and then instead of tightening the knot he took out a tube of crazy glue to apply to the knot to lock it!

The tube was empty and he then left the knot untightened and handed the rod to me to go fishing. I had to gently remind him to tighten the knot by pulling it by hand!!

Presumably, he was used to locking the knot with the crazy glue only and had no clue what to do when the glue ran out. I did not have the heart to chew him out for his unprofessionalism.

Hopefully, he knows better by now.

Kingfish


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:42 am 
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This is a very informative thread.

Has anybody here ever thought of a tippet ring?

http://www.orvis.com/news/fly-fishing/tuesday-tip-how-to-use-a-tippet-ring-and-perhaps-join-the-dark-side/

We use this in the fly fishing world to save leaders. The knots are so tiny that they easily pass through the guides. But you'll hardly ever get to that point in the fly fishing world. I've had then pass through my guides while rigging down at the end of a fishing day sometimes.

I looked up FG knot and man is that thing complicated for my simple mind!

I plan to use this method when I'm in India next. Just pre rig the leaders and bring them with you. Change the leader after a heavy flight? Just my 2 cents. May be it's not that good of an idea when using braided lines. Feel free to comment fellas!

Tight lines and Cheers.........


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:53 pm 
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Ulygun wrote:
This is a very informative thread.
Has anybody here ever thought of a tippet ring?

I cannot think of how that tippet ring is going to pass through the guides without breaking/ripping them apart with a heavy popper.
My rod is having smaller diameter guides like that of a micro guide and both albright and uni-knot got stuck during casting.
Though I trimmed the leader tag end very very close to the knot, it got stuck, I cannot image a tippet ring passing through without shattering the guides.

Ulygun wrote:
I looked up FG knot and man is that thing complicated for my simple mind!
I plan to use this method when I'm in India next. Just pre rig the leaders and bring them with you. Change the leader after a heavy flight? Just my 2 cents. May be it's not that good of an idea when using braided lines. Feel free to comment fellas!

This is complicated till you try and get the hang of it. I am used to it and I can tie it in dark, but I require a glove to tighten it.
FG knot is required when you require a long leader like 15 feet or so, especially when you are fishing from the rocks.
If you are fishing from the rocks FG knot is a must to learn.

Other area is in surf fishing. After the FG knot I have forgotten about the finger guard.
I do not find any appreciable loss in casting distance between a straight braid and one with a leader connected with FG knot.
I always check my leader after a good fight/drag over the rocks and change it if required.

Regards,
H.Venkatesan


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 9:35 pm 
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@ Ulygun

I would also agree that the Tippett ring would cause spin fishermen a lot of angst if the rod has a very small tip guide. Rolling swivels have been used to attach leader to line when spinning but one always runs the risk of jamming them in the top guide, especially if fishing with heavy line plus leader to handle the harder fighting saltwater fish, such as GTs (Giant Trevally).

The Tippett ring would be a handy setup for fly fishing. However, I have not seen them used the few times I have been with such anglers.

Regards
Kingfish


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Some pictures below of the 6x VMC hooks available to us in Australia, which we use to replace the standard hooks on most imported lures (Rapalas, Bombers, Storm etc) before we go Barramundi fishing.

Along with the upgraded hooks, one must also upgrade the split rings ..... a selection below of the ones we use. Halco also make some good split rings at a cheaper price level, however because they use 3 turns of the wire their split rings are sometimes too thick to use on some lures.

Apologies for the picture quality, taken at 2:30 am in the kitchen so as not to disturb anyone!

Goodnight.

Kingfish


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Just before I go, I must caution that because the 6x VMC are heavier than the standard hooks on the lures, using the former may affect the balance and action of the lure .... floating lures could start submerging and suspending lures may become slow sinkers!

Sometimes using smaller sized VMCs can cure this or if there are three trebles on the lure then taking off the middle treble will help the lure run properly.

Love the intricacies of angling!

Kingfish


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Quote:
I cannot think of how that tippet ring is going to pass through the guides without breaking/ripping them apart with a heavy popper.
My rod is having smaller diameter guides like that of a micro guide and both albright and uni-knot got stuck during casting.


OK. Just FYI the rings range from 2mm and above. I didn't know that a big surf rod comes with a tiny guide. Looks like micro guides, from a rod building chart start over 4mm and above. I can see how it might cause some concerns. But just trying to help.

Quote:
This is complicated till you try and get the hang of it. I am used to it and I can tie it in dark, but I require a glove to tighten it.
FG knot is required when you require a long leader like 15 feet or so, especially when you are fishing from the rocks.
If you are fishing from the rocks FG knot is a must to learn.


OK, pardon my ignorance when it comes to conventional tackle. Just trying to help. I guess I'll stick to fly fishing for time being lol.

Have fun y'all! Time to go chase some tails. Tight lines!


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